this is literally a civilized society devolving to nature. this is what they talk about, philosophers. on a talk about the state of nature, the reversion, this is haening. john: you don't really siqueiros >> the state of nure does not give way to chaos. is not going to be chaotic. we found what i like to call accidental libertarians, people who are becoming so self-reliant in of the city government has failed them utterly. services aren't there, police are going to show up, so they have collected in the group's, crafting gardens, keeping bees, have chickens, a lot of open landow. john: injured going around with these community activists. there were saying, we just need a new mayor. >> the not talking about civic solutions. a talking about getting together, mentoring kids so that they have something to do so it now fallen to crime and making the best out of the situation.